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Post by myspinningarrow on Dec 18, 2018 21:47:33 GMT
Hi Ladies - apologies, I haven't been on this site in a while. I'm having a dilemma about a man I met at the weekend (and of course my friends are giving me feminist sounding advice), so I'm hoping you can help me. I went out for a friends birthday at the weekend, and many of her brother's friends were also there. I feel like I did everything right - I looked nice, smiled a lot, danced, had fun, and didn't drink too much. There was one guy I found attractive, and I struck up friendly conversation with him - I made sure I also struck up friendly conversation with a lot of other people there though, so it wouldn't be obvious. It seemed to work - I don't mean to brag but I received a lot of male attention that night, including the one I was interested in, who actually ran after my friends and I down two roads to nervously ask for my number after we left the bar. I haven't heard from him since, and I'm aware it hasn't been very long, but I'm starting to worry that I might have accidentally written my number down wrong and he may have tried to contact me and think I'm ignoring him due to a wrong number. He didn't seem the type to mess a girl around by asking for a number and then not using it. I'm not sure what to do now. I have found his facebook page through my friend's page, so I have a way to contact him (it only took a minute so it's not as stalkerish as it sounds, I promise!). So I guess my options are: - leave it alone and assume that he's either changed his mind, gotten too nervous or doesn't like me enough to check with my friend if he has the right number - wait until the end of the week and if I still haven't heard anything, send him a short facebook message saying that it was nice to meet him and that I just wanted to make sure I'd given him the correct number. I of course wouldn't be any more forward than that, as I'm sure Sir Guy would disapprove. What do you think? Thank you in advance
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Post by Cinnamon on Dec 19, 2018 15:26:07 GMT
Myspinningarrow,
Great to hear from you again!
I think you played this perfectly. This is a very delicate situation IMO.
The chance that you wrote your number down wrong is quite remote, but not impossible. Sir Guy did address the situation where men who seem very eager and ask for a phone number don't follow up with a phone call. I can't remember the exact reasons he gave, but it DOES happen. If I run across his instructions on this topic I will post them in a sticky at the top of the dating forum called "Why hasn't he called me?"
Here are your options as I see it, in order of preference according to WWNH:
1. Do nothing for now except wait. This is the conservative option, and probably what Sir Guy would advise. Presume you gave him the right phone number.
2. Give him a gentle nudge. If you haven't heard from him after New Year's, send him a "friend" invite on Facebook. I WOULD NOT say anything about the phone number, because you would be drawing attention to the fact that you hadn't heard from him, and given that statistically speaking you probably DID give him the right phone number, this is not something you want to do (as they say in baseball, "play the percentages.").
I would keep it very brief - "I am the girl you met at Matt's birthday party who was wearing the red dress - it was so much fun talking to you. I hope you had a fun Christmas. Wishing you the very best in 2019!" Then do absolutely nothing more. If he doesn't respond favourably you have to drop it at that point. If he says to you, "I tried to call you but you didn't pick up the phone" then you say, "I thought I might have given you the wrong number. AAAAAACK - sorry about that! How are you keeping?" etc. I would friend "Matt" too. And if there were any other people you met at the party who you clicked with, you could "friend" them too so this move blends in more.
3. Tell your friend about the phone number and ask her to enlist her brother to inquire casually along the lines of "FYI Myspinningarrow, a girl you met at my birthday, was asking my sister about you" or something along those lines. You would need to trust your friend and her brother 100% to go along with this and be discreet about it. Unless you really trust both of them I wouldn't go down this route.
Options 2 and 3 are both a little bold, awkward, and risky - but I don't see any less awkward way of doing it. Maybe others can give input. Keep us updated.
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Post by myspinningarrow on Dec 21, 2018 9:10:05 GMT
Miss Cinnamon, this is excellent and confirms what I already suspected might be the wwnh way forward, thank you! I'm not sure I would trust my friend with option 3, but I think I will take your advice and wait until after the new Year before doing anything. I liked your point too about being more subtle by adding multiple people from the night on facebook, not just him, and not saying anything about the number unless he says he has tried to contact me. You're right, it would draw attention to him not contacting me and maybe put him off. If I haven't heard from him by the new Year, I will decide then whether to try option two. Thanks again
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Post by myspinningarrow on Jan 5, 2019 15:33:20 GMT
Hello Miss Cinnamon (and everyone else!), I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New Year! Thought you might like an update So it turns out I was right...I had given him the wrong number (score one for feminine intuition!). I followed your advice, waited until the new year, then added him on facebook. He accepted the friend request and messaged me wishing me a happy new year and telling me he had tried to text me the day after we met but never got a response. We have been messaging since, and though he has been sending long messages regularly, he doesn't seem to be getting any closer to asking me out. I'm starting to think maybe I made it too easy, respond too quickly or am disclosing too much about myself in my friendliness (I know, full disclosure is bad!). And quite frankly, though he seems like a nice guy and we have a lot in common, I'm starting to lose interest in him because of all this long-winded messaging. I would meet him for a date if he asked me, but I don't want to continue like this. I think I will take a step back and not respond to his latest message for a day or two, see if it stirs him into action. I have also been talking to a couple of other guys through online dating recently, so there are other options if nothing happens with this one! All the best, Myspinningarrow x
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Post by Cinnamon on Jan 6, 2019 17:27:20 GMT
Hi Myspinningarrow,
Happy new year to you too!
This sounds like a success story so far. I think it's a good sign that he is sending you long emails, but I agree that it's time for him to move it up to the next level. Your strategy is correct - remain friendly but pull back slightly by delaying your response a little bit (don't be so eager), writing shorter, less personal responses, and focus your mind on other potential prospects. Always remain charming (friendly), of course. If he is interested he will step up his game.
Keep in mind that Sir Guy teaches the multiple plates model - don't date any man exclusively especially at the early stages of dating. This is a great strategy for MANY reasons, and ultimately benefits both you AND all the Mr. Maybes you will date before you find Mr Goodenough.
I have a feeling 2019 will bring many great things for you! Keep us posted of course!
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Post by myspinningarrow on Jan 20, 2019 20:26:59 GMT
Hi Miss Cinnamon, Unfortunately I had to put him back in the parade. Ignoring him for a weekend worked, as when I finally replied he did ask me out. And then proceeded to not bother to organise something on account of being "too busy". So I gave him another chance for a lunch date a few days later instead...He didn't plan anything for that one either and didn't even message me at all until 11:15 that day. I told him I couldn't make it anymore (didn't want to meet him anymore after his disorganisation and lack of effort) and we haven't spoken since. It's a shame, as he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, but the way I see it, no one is so busy they can't decide a time and a place for a simple lunch date! So the lack of effort was a red flag and I won't bother talking to him again unless he makes the effort. I seem to be hitting a dry patch with men at the moment...at the end of December there seemed to be multiple men I was speaking to, but they seem to have all disappeared. It's hard to find single, decent men to date, let alone enough of them to date multiple ones at the same time! I will be reviewing the thread from before about approachability in a large city, hopefully that will help. But thank you, I hope 2019 will be the year of love and Mr Good Enough for me. I've been single for quite a few years (my own fault, as I think I mentioned on a previous post), but I feel like this is my year
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Post by Cinnamon on Jan 21, 2019 21:52:03 GMT
Myspinningarrow,
Thank you for the new update. Well, that turned out to be a disappointment. The good news, however, is that you get a gold star for spotting Wishy Washy Man (what Sir Guy calls "vague and unavailable") at the earliest stage! It's puzzling how he pursued you so eagerly the first night but then fizzled out. Many women get caught in the trap of trying to figure out how this could have happened...Sir Guy did write about this subect once (what might be going through a man's head to pursue eagerly, then turn wishy-washy almost immediately thereafter), but I can't remember what he said. I will have to keep an eye out for that article. Regardless, the actions on your part are exactly the same - put him back in the parade!
I will have to review that dating strategies thread as well - I haven't looked at it in months. I haven't had much time to work on this blog (which isn't too big of a deal since the traffic is extremely slow), but that is a thread I would like to develop more because it would be extremely useful.
I firmly believe dating is a numbers game and that so long as you follow WWNH principles and actively place yourself in places to meet different men, you will find Mr Goodenough sooner or later. The more you meet, the better your chances. I like the strategy of placing yourself in different pleasant situations where you could meet them, for example:
1. Meetup - join two or three Meetup hobby groups that interest you (for example, hiking, book club, foreign language exchange, philosophy discussion, etc - there are so many different ones) and try to go regularly. AVOID ALL FEMALE GROUPS!
2. Turn up for free or low-cost concerts or cultural events in the area, if you like these events, on your own.
3. Online dating
4. If you go to church, sit in the same place every week, alone (Sir Guy has an article about this).
Always look like a million dollars at any of these events. LOL. And be approachable, but not overly friendly.
Those things will keep you busy, and you WILL meet many Mr Maybes.
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