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Post by myspinningarrow on May 24, 2018 18:50:39 GMT
Hi Ladies,
I am struggling with approachability when it comes to dating.
I am an attractive woman in my late twenties, yet I very rarely get approached by men for dates.
I wonder if it may be something to do with the environment? I live in London, where people are generally quite unfriendly in public to each other. If you were to try and start a conversation with a stranger, chances are they would be quite suspicious of your motives and perhaps your sanity! I am wary of being too friendly and open to people, because this usually seems to attract the 'wierdos'.
Despite the large number of men in a city of this size (10 million), it is actually very difficult to meet men here for these reasons.
Any advice?
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Post by Cinnamon on May 25, 2018 10:43:19 GMT
Hi myspinningarrow, I agree with you about the unfriendly vibe in London. It certainly presents challenges, but also great opportunities I think, if you can master some of the dating principles from WWNH and stick with them. I am writing in haste at the moment but you may find my introductory response below to Shermy helpful: wwnh.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/2074-compatibility-axioms-481-490/Two Key Principles to Keep in Mind:1. The Number One Rule and the foundation on which all of WWNH is based is mirror time - making yourself look exceptional every single day. This is true whether you are going to work or going to the corner shop to get a pint of milk. Aim to look better than your peers at all times, using Sir Guy's guidelines. This is as true for the single female as it is for the married one. NB:I was in Marks and Spencer the other day and they have some beautiful coloured print dresses for the summer that fit perfectly within these guidelines. If you have the budget, go pick up 4 or 5 of these and start wearing them on rotation. 2. Sir Guy does NOT recommend approaching men directly. There are cases where it may be warranted to do so (i.e. standing in line at a supermarket, your eyes meet, you make a brief witty comment to him & smile), but as a rule your goal should be to attract them to you. You do this by turning up at places they are likely to be, looking great at all times, and looking and acting friendly. He does give many tips for this but I will need to try to dig them up. I will try to get back to you later today - if not I will get back to you in about a week (I will be offline for approximately 8 days).
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Post by WaitingForOdysseus on May 25, 2018 11:25:45 GMT
Hi Ladies, I am struggling with approachability when it comes to dating. I am an attractive woman in my late twenties, yet I very rarely get approached by men for dates. I wonder if it may be something to do with the environment? I live in London, where people are generally quite unfriendly in public to each other. If you were to try and start a conversation with a stranger, chances are they would be quite suspicious of your motives and perhaps your sanity! I am wary of being too friendly and open to people, because this usually seems to attract the 'wierdos'. Despite the large number of men in a city of this size (10 million), it is actually very difficult to meet men here for these reasons.Any advice? When the lady is out and about in public, she just smiles her crimson smile and does her own thing: going to the movies or sitting at a restaurant with a book, cuppa coffee or just observing people. (I took a lesson from Guy's post " 42" a couple of years back about sitting alone (where ever I find myself) as he says it "works to a man’s strength and advantage. Women alone need rescue, so a man will assume your loneliness signals need for him. Also, if he is to be rejected, he wants no witnesses." I know he meant it in the context of church but I thought I'd test drive it in different environments to see if it works there as well. ) Generally, the guys would return my smile. So smiling is a good attraction. Also guys my age would rarely approach me to engage in a conversation or just a chit chat while the older men would find a way to even if it is just to tease, tell a joke or to pay a compliment. Generally, I also find the older ones to be more confident than the younger ones. Perhaps the younger ones are hesitant to approach because of their past experiences with our feminist stepsisters or perhaps they embrace feminist thought. Their experiences have probably taught them that all women are the same even though we are not, if they would just suspend their hasty blanket judgement, let go of their past experiences and rise above their fear of approaching a pretty lady. I can probably speculate all day about the reasons for their lack of approach, but I think you get the picture. In regards to the concept of dating, people have different ideas of what it entails. To most, dating is the whole exclusive girlfriend or boyfriend thing. To the few, it is being asked out for a glass of water or McDonald's to name a few examples. Given our current upside down culture, it is a very bold, risk and challenge seeking, know what I want kind of man that would approach a pretty lady whom he has just detected in public, and ask her out on a date. Those guys are rare so you will not encounter them often but keep hope, maintain your pretty and don't let it cause you to feel discouraged. My other advice for being approachable? Perhaps don't go out in the public sphere with the expectation of being asked out on a date. Why not go out there without expectations? Why not take pleasure in your own company with your own very pretty self? Why not be grateful for whatever gift you receive even if it comes in the form of a returning smile or glance from a stranger and take the opportunity to learn from the situation you are in? Why not be different from the other ladies in your proximity or peer group? Modesty is the way forward and volunteering makes us focus less on ourselves, brings out the best in us and demos another side of you. Who knows, a guy might be watching and falling in love with you whilst you are doing something you enjoy and are passionate about... I am a book worm and am thus always book armed. I am happy between its pages and come a live when I get the opportunity to share and discuss with others what I have learnt. If curiosity leads a man to my table to discover what it is that I am reading and dreaming about, I would probably think my book contains magic because of its cupid abilities. Call my reading habit, escapism if you wish. Perhaps there are a few birds out there in the flock, that will notice a worm, come in for the catch and persuade her of an additional and different escape... Just some ideas and thoughts to help you bait your hook, love. I hope they are helpful.
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Post by Cinnamon on May 25, 2018 16:46:47 GMT
Great advice, WaitingForOdysseus. I had great success with that experiment when I was single. I would go to events that interested me, everything from lectures and conferences to concerts and free musical performances.
The only thing I would add is to pick a recurring event, and sit in the same place, such as:
1. Church (<--- Yes, Sir Guy's example) 2. Free concert (e.g. weekly or monthly concert at same location) 3. Lecture series 4. Go to the same coffee shop/cafe on a weekly basis, around the same time on the same day, and read. Every once in a while skip a week.
Some gentlemen will see you but be afraid to approach for a long time.
Many years ago when I was young I ate breakfast at the same cafe on most Sunday mornings. One of the waitresses eventually tried to set me up with the son of one of her friends.
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Post by WaitingForOdysseus on May 25, 2018 18:17:44 GMT
Great advice, WaitingForOdysseus. I had great success with that experiment when I was single. I would go to events that interested me, everything from lectures and conferences to concerts and free musical performances. The only thing I would add is to pick a recurring event, and sit in the same place, such as: 1. Church (<--- Yes, Sir Guy's example) 2. Free concert (e.g. weekly or monthly concert at same location) 3. Lecture series 4. Go to the same coffee shop/cafe on a weekly basis, around the same time on the same day, and read. Every once in a while skip a week. Some gentlemen will see you but be afraid to approach for a long time. Many years ago when I was young I ate breakfast at the same cafe on most Sunday mornings. One of the waitresses eventually tried to set me up with the son of one of her friends. "Some gentlemen will see you but be afraid to approach for a long time." Completely agree. From reading the Alpha, Beta and Gamma series in 923 - 930 I think they are perhaps the risk-averse, who needs to see the security of a lot of information about you first before they feel comfortable enough to take action. In addition to that Guy says in 487 that "Asking for first date is riskier for a man than asking for sex during the date. It becomes even riskier, if he aspires to swim in water over his head—that is, she’s more attractive than he thinks he deserves. Men seek to reduce risk, but they thrive on it when the goal is attractive enough. Working this tendency backward: The riskier the endeavor, the greater his satisfaction for achieving what he was after. This adds value to and respect for her. What makes asking riskier? Mystery, feminine mystique, female modesty, unique femaleness, unpredictability, super attractiveness, self-respect, self-confidence, super friendliness, apparent independence, no apparent interest in him as a partner." I guess a lady should know herself well enough to know if she would desire life with the risk-averse or the risk-taker and proceed accordingly. I also find the ideas in Dr. Patricia Allen's book, Getting to I do, interesting with regard to the masculine and feminine energy men and women. A lady should be aware which one she possesses and exudes or which one she would like to possess and exude and proceed accordingly as well. Did you end up going for the setup she tried to arrange, if I may ask?
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Post by cartieb on Jun 4, 2018 5:35:00 GMT
Hi myspinningarrow!
Were you able to apply some of the advice given here? I would like to support any advice on dressing up better than your peers. It works every time for me here in sunny California, especially when you're wearing a bright solid color dress with heels, makeup, loose flowing hair. The men, young and old really can't help themselves. They have to talk to you, give you a compliment, and sometimes buy you things like coffee or a drink!
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Post by myspinningarrow on Jun 5, 2018 17:43:24 GMT
Hi Ladies, Apologies for not replying sooner! Thank you very much for your excellent words of advice and wisdom. I am also an avid reader and so I really like the idea of prettying myself up and going to a coffee shop or cafe with a book - it sounds like a lovely way to spend an afternoon! I go to museums and public events alone from time to time already, but could definitely do this more often instead of staying home at the weekends. I think if I have some time this weekend, I may try going into the city centre and seeing if there are any interesting events going on (after some mirror time and dressing prettily of course) I am also going on a walking holiday alone in a couple of weeks, where I will meet up with a group of other solo travellers there. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but it's possible I might meet a potential Mr Good Enough there! Thank you again for all your advice, I will let you know if anything interesting comes from my solo adventures!
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Post by Cinnamon on Jun 10, 2018 22:37:17 GMT
Great advice, WaitingForOdysseus. I had great success with that experiment when I was single. I would go to events that interested me, everything from lectures and conferences to concerts and free musical performances. The only thing I would add is to pick a recurring event, and sit in the same place, such as: 1. Church (<--- Yes, Sir Guy's example) 2. Free concert (e.g. weekly or monthly concert at same location) 3. Lecture series 4. Go to the same coffee shop/cafe on a weekly basis, around the same time on the same day, and read. Every once in a while skip a week. Some gentlemen will see you but be afraid to approach for a long time. Many years ago when I was young I ate breakfast at the same cafe on most Sunday mornings. One of the waitresses eventually tried to set me up with the son of one of her friends. "Some gentlemen will see you but be afraid to approach for a long time." Completely agree. From reading the Alpha, Beta and Gamma series in 923 - 930 I think they are perhaps the risk-averse, who needs to see the security of a lot of information about you first before they feel comfortable enough to take action. In addition to that Guy says in 487 that "Asking for first date is riskier for a man than asking for sex during the date. It becomes even riskier, if he aspires to swim in water over his head—that is, she’s more attractive than he thinks he deserves. Men seek to reduce risk, but they thrive on it when the goal is attractive enough. Working this tendency backward: The riskier the endeavor, the greater his satisfaction for achieving what he was after. This adds value to and respect for her. What makes asking riskier? Mystery, feminine mystique, female modesty, unique femaleness, unpredictability, super attractiveness, self-respect, self-confidence, super friendliness, apparent independence, no apparent interest in him as a partner." I guess a lady should know herself well enough to know if she would desire life with the risk-averse or the risk-taker and proceed accordingly. I also find the ideas in Dr. Patricia Allen's book, Getting to I do, interesting with regard to the masculine and feminine energy men and women. A lady should be aware which one she possesses and exudes or which one she would like to possess and exude and proceed accordingly as well. Did you end up going for the setup she tried to arrange, if I may ask? Great points about understanding the male thinking behind an approach for a first date. The more we understand about the way men think, the more we can successfully harmonise our relationships with them. That Patricia Allen book is a very good one - thanks for mentioning it. I am going to create a thread with book recommendations at some point soon and will put that book on the list. I did go on that setup date, but I was very young and had very poor dating skills (argued with him about politics, for one). At the time I didn't understand why he didn't ask for a second date, but I can see now the many things I did wrong. Thank God for WWNH.
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Post by Cinnamon on Jun 10, 2018 22:44:02 GMT
Hi Ladies, Apologies for not replying sooner! Thank you very much for your excellent words of advice and wisdom. I am also an avid reader and so I really like the idea of prettying myself up and going to a coffee shop or cafe with a book - it sounds like a lovely way to spend an afternoon! I go to museums and public events alone from time to time already, but could definitely do this more often instead of staying home at the weekends. I think if I have some time this weekend, I may try going into the city centre and seeing if there are any interesting events going on (after some mirror time and dressing prettily of course) I am also going on a walking holiday alone in a couple of weeks, where I will meet up with a group of other solo travellers there. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but it's possible I might meet a potential Mr Good Enough there! Thank you again for all your advice, I will let you know if anything interesting comes from my solo adventures! I'm really looking forward to this field report. The future is bright!!! One more tip about public events - if you are going to a show, arrive a little early and sit in the lobby before the show with a drink (e.g. sparkling water or coffee - not necessarily alcoholic), then during the interval sit in the same place (if possible), perhaps glancing through the program from the show. This way an admiring stranger can find you again easily if he saw you earlier. Furthermore, it will confirm for him that you are indeed alone.
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Post by WaitingForOdysseus on Jun 20, 2018 11:15:07 GMT
"Some gentlemen will see you but be afraid to approach for a long time." Completely agree. From reading the Alpha, Beta and Gamma series in 923 - 930 I think they are perhaps the risk-averse, who needs to see the security of a lot of information about you first before they feel comfortable enough to take action. In addition to that Guy says in 487 that "Asking for first date is riskier for a man than asking for sex during the date. It becomes even riskier, if he aspires to swim in water over his head—that is, she’s more attractive than he thinks he deserves. Men seek to reduce risk, but they thrive on it when the goal is attractive enough. Working this tendency backward: The riskier the endeavor, the greater his satisfaction for achieving what he was after. This adds value to and respect for her. What makes asking riskier? Mystery, feminine mystique, female modesty, unique femaleness, unpredictability, super attractiveness, self-respect, self-confidence, super friendliness, apparent independence, no apparent interest in him as a partner." I guess a lady should know herself well enough to know if she would desire life with the risk-averse or the risk-taker and proceed accordingly. I also find the ideas in Dr. Patricia Allen's book, Getting to I do, interesting with regard to the masculine and feminine energy men and women. A lady should be aware which one she possesses and exudes or which one she would like to possess and exude and proceed accordingly as well. Did you end up going for the setup she tried to arrange, if I may ask? Great points about understanding the male thinking behind an approach for a first date. The more we understand about the way men think, the more we can successfully harmonise our relationships with them. That Patricia Allen book is a very good one - thanks for mentioning it. I am going to create a thread with book recommendations at some point soon and will put that book on the list. I did go on that setup date, but I was very young and had very poor dating skills (argued with him about politics, for one). At the time I didn't understand why he didn't ask for a second date, but I can see now the many things I did wrong. Thank God for WWNH. Cinnamon, when you get around to that book list, would you consider including these too: A Return to Modesty by Wendy Shalit Boundaries by Dr Henry Cloud & Dr John Townsend Boundaries in Dating by Dr Henry Cloud & Dr John Townsend Men, Women and the Mystery of Love: Practical Insights from John Paul II's Love and Responsibility by Edward SriIn the Book list thread, perhaps we can discuss the ideas in those books. In Sri's book, Pope John Paul II introduces what he calls, the Personalist principle as a counter to the contemporary moral theory of Utilitarianism, whose ideas are deeply entrenched in the thinking of our society via the often received advice of "do what makes you happy", or via the don't be selfish, sacrifice your needs and self (i.e. the individual) so that society can achieve "the greatest good (i.e. happiness) for the greatest number of people" (i.e. the collective). That book really made me think and still has me doing so. Is the pursuit of happiness a worthy and moral pursuit? In regards to the date you were set up on, I can relate. I once went on a blind date many years ago and had very poor dating skills and knowledge back then too. The guy tried to sell himself by talking about himself and his accomplishments. I on the other hand misunderstood all of that and thought he was being conceited and just bragging. He wanted to go on a second date but I totally ignored him. Post WWNH however, I realised in retrospect what an idiot I was back then and in my other encounters with men. Actually, now that I am thinking about this, Guy often said men are the sellers and women the buyers in the context of a romantic relationship. That statement of his is very deep. If you apply it to a business relationship (i.e. employer-employee), where a woman employee is seeking an (a) (new) employer, she needs to do a role reversal by stepping into the selling role of a man and become a seller of herself to a buying employer in an interview, just like a man would be a seller of himself on a (dinner) date to a buying woman! In the absence of AA laws, I understand now, why a male employee who is seeking a buying employer, would be successful in securing the job (employer) and not the woman. Selling comes naturally to him, it's his domain, whereas to a woman, it does not, it's not her domain. Outside the security and sanity of a woman's home, "this is a man's world" as James Brown started singing many years ago already.
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Post by WaitingForOdysseus on Jun 20, 2018 13:12:06 GMT
Hi Ladies, Apologies for not replying sooner! Thank you very much for your excellent words of advice and wisdom. I am also an avid reader and so I really like the idea of prettying myself up and going to a coffee shop or cafe with a book - it sounds like a lovely way to spend an afternoon! I go to museums and public events alone from time to time already, but could definitely do this more often instead of staying home at the weekends. I think if I have some time this weekend, I may try going into the city centre and seeing if there are any interesting events going on (after some mirror time and dressing prettily of course) I am also going on a walking holiday alone in a couple of weeks, where I will meet up with a group of other solo travellers there. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but it's possible I might meet a potential Mr Good Enough there! Thank you again for all your advice, I will let you know if anything interesting comes from my solo adventures! I'm really looking forward to this field report. The future is bright!!! One more tip about public events - if you are going to a show, arrive a little early and sit in the lobby before the show with a drink (e.g. sparkling water or coffee - not necessarily alcoholic), then during the interval sit in the same place (if possible), perhaps glancing through the program from the show. This way an admiring stranger can find you again easily if he saw you earlier. Furthermore, it will confirm for him that you are indeed alone. "This way an admiring stranger can find you again easily if he saw you earlier. Furthermore, it will confirm for him that you are indeed alone." <- I just love your way of thinking!!
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Post by Cinnamon on Jul 18, 2018 12:56:24 GMT
Hi Ladies,
I hope you are having a fun summer!
I am looking forward to hearing and analysing the Field Reports pertaining to this topic.
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